hi y'all, this is mrs. flipper.
please share your experiences with this, or possible consequences of being outed.. this recent controversy and resulting arguments all stem from people being outed - possibly losing friends and family because most jw's will blindly follow the watchtower's rules to shun them.. among people i know and experiences read here, the grief and loss caused by this is terrible, and maybe now is a good time to put up some experiences here, and put the focus on the worst villians of all - wt policymakers..
Just because we've made a few comments and showed family members right from the WT literature they feel that we've developed an independent 'spirit' and no longer wish to be JW's and are shunning us. My Mom has not called me in 6 months and when I tried e-mailing her, my sister answered me and said not to contact them ever again.
So I agree, it's WT stupid policy and when you see the 1947 Awake 1/8 pg 27 It makes it look even more ridiculous.
for the past year or so, i've been turning in just one or two hours of service time.
it has been mentioned to me from an elder "friend" that i'm never seen at any meetings for field service.
i get his implication.
ADCMS is correct. In our case, the elder did call the next 2 months and I finally told him, why should I go out in service and count time when you can't even get me my magazines to place. That shut him up, but then nothing ever since. I even e-mailed his wife [our cousin] and she can't even answer my emails now.
i intend no offence to those who have a firm belief in god.
i myself am currently on the fence.. http://i.imgur.com/9gajkpy.jpg.
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I know it's difficult to see all these atrocities going on.
i just feel isolated and tired of the situation i am in.
no witness visits, and this just makes me even more spiritually lethargic..
Hey Joe, You're not alone, we're here for you.
JW's only have conditional love. They will only associate with you if you are in the same box they are in. Itsy bitsy is right. Archeology & history is a great place to start.
thought this was a clever little ruse.. it's on page 11 of the instructions booklet.. .
the refund function is used to reverse a credit card transaction after it has been settled.. the refund function has been disabled.
any donor whose debit or credit transaction.
WOW! And I'm sure it will take them at least 6 months to get it refunded
disclaimer: hubby & i have been watching a 5 dvd documentary on the 'secret's of the founding father's' we're not sure if we believe everything they talk about but here is some interesting things to think about..... revelation mentions that the 'mark' would either be on the forehead, [for everyone to see] or, on the right hand [if you make a fist, it is hidden] rev also says that no one can buy or sell without this mark.
the wtbt$ isn't too clear on what they believe that mark is, so.... what is one thing that we cannot buy or sell without?.
money!.
gnat: DID you even read your article posted above THOROUGHLY???? Here's a quote from it:
"" In a paper last year, two economists estimated that 18 percent to 19 percent of income nationwide is not reported to the Internal Revenue Service. "The estimated $2 trillion of unreported income gives rise to and annual tax gap of $450 billion to $500 billion," wrote Richard Cebula, a professor of finance at Jacksonville University in Florida, and Edgar Feige, a professor of economics at the University of Wisconsin at Madison.
The underground economy runs on cash , which can't be traced....."
Anyone professing to be a Christian, would remember Jesus words, "Pay Caesar's things to Caesar..." It's very clear in this underground economy, Caesar is not getting paid his due tax, which puts the 'professed' Christian at odds against Christ and open for the government to come in and fine you for back taxes.
And I don't know how things work in Canada, but here in the U.S if you don't pay your property taxes, with CASH, the government TAKES your property and sells it for the back taxes due. When we sell items on Ebay, if we do not pay our sales tax to our state government then they take away our business license and fine us.
So truly, we are not free to use the barter system freely like you think we are. Most of that Bartering system is the Black Market as *Lost* so plainly explained it.
IT IS ILLEGAL!!!!
disclaimer: hubby & i have been watching a 5 dvd documentary on the 'secret's of the founding father's' we're not sure if we believe everything they talk about but here is some interesting things to think about..... revelation mentions that the 'mark' would either be on the forehead, [for everyone to see] or, on the right hand [if you make a fist, it is hidden] rev also says that no one can buy or sell without this mark.
the wtbt$ isn't too clear on what they believe that mark is, so.... what is one thing that we cannot buy or sell without?.
money!.
Here in the U.S Santeria is getting more well known: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santeria
But like you said VooDoo is real big down in New Orleans.
disclaimer: hubby & i have been watching a 5 dvd documentary on the 'secret's of the founding father's' we're not sure if we believe everything they talk about but here is some interesting things to think about..... revelation mentions that the 'mark' would either be on the forehead, [for everyone to see] or, on the right hand [if you make a fist, it is hidden] rev also says that no one can buy or sell without this mark.
the wtbt$ isn't too clear on what they believe that mark is, so.... what is one thing that we cannot buy or sell without?.
money!.
Exactly. But I think a lot of people forget this, "The ENTIRE world is lying in the power of the wicked one". If Satan didn't have control of these 'entities' then how could he offer them to Jesus if he did an act of worship to him?
today i just thought of this.
i had written a thread about the false teaching of the anointed being resurrected already.
anyway, the wt assumes the 24 elders in revelation are the 144,000, and the assumption is merely because both sit on thrones.
I found the reference in my IDB, they're claiming that Duet 34:10 is the reason for his status, but they do state that all of this regarding Moses is 'retrojection', in identifying Moses as a prophet. Other references include: Num 12:4, Duet 18:18
today i just thought of this.
i had written a thread about the false teaching of the anointed being resurrected already.
anyway, the wt assumes the 24 elders in revelation are the 144,000, and the assumption is merely because both sit on thrones.
MP: I don't know I'm just repeating what was in this very old dictionary/encyclopedia set that I have. They claim that according to EX 2:1 Moses was also in line for the priesthood since he was a LEVITE. But he was given a 'commission' by God directly. As far as prophesying, I don't remember any right off hand myself. I don't remember any prophesying that Abraham did either, but it mentions because he was commissioned by God to go live in tents and leave the city, etc.
Him & Elijah are known in Judaism as both Priests & prophets. [Elijah even took on the role as a Priest offering sacrifice-1 Kings 18:32].
